Matt Stone has just been reading Scot McKnight's summary of the Three Central Missional Conversations according to Alan Roxburgh and M. Scott Boren. Matt's transliteration:
Conversation 1: Understanding the West is now a mission field
Conversation 2: Rethinking the gospel in terms of God's mission
Conversation 3: Recasting the church as a contrast community
And Scot's addition:
Conversation 4: It's home brewed nature
And my response:
I suppose I'm sufficiently postmodern to want to question 2 and 3. I don't understand 4.
Concerning 1 - when *wasn't* the West a mission field?
The early Franciscans and Dominicans knew it. John Wesley knew it. Billy Sunday knew it. Billy Graham knew it.
But 2 and 3 are the biggest problem.
One of the first things one learns in missiology is multiculturalism. It is dangerous to make cultural assumptions about other people, and to assume that we all have the same worldview.
Modernity tends to make those assumptions. Modern writers pretend to objectivity, and make oracular pronouncements as though there was one grand narrative and everyone is familiar with it. So when you say "Re-" as in "Rethinking the gospel" there is a huge unquestioned assumption that everyone is thinking about the gospel in one way, that the writer knows what they are thinking, and knows they should be thinking another way.
Postmodernity suggests that we should not make such assumptions, but that we should rather begin by stating our own presuppositions, in order that others can see how far they fit in with their own.
I've just been involved in a rather frustrating interchange on Usenet (it was hardly a dialogue or discussion) with someone who calls himself a 1st century Christian. He stated that Jesus was baptised as an "adult believer". I asked him what he thought Jesus believed in, and in an interchange of 20 messages each way, he still hasn't told me. It seems to me that he is being evasive, but he seems to think that the answer is so obvious that I am simply being perverse in asking it. To him, it is blindingly obvious that Jesus was an "adult believer", and asking "believer in what?" is beside the point. But to me it is a prerequisite to any further discussion. We need to understand the terms we are using before we can have a meaningful discussion.
So when Scot McKnight talks about "rethinking the gospel" I want to ask what he thinks "thinking the gospel" means in the first place, before we start rethinking.
"Rethinking" suggests that we must change the route or the destination, but it is meaningless unless we know the starting point. If I tell Matt that in order to get to Brisbane you need to go east, that would be right for me, because I am in Pretoria, but Matt is in Sydney and to get to Brisbane he would have to travel north, not east. If he went east, every mile he travelled would take him further from Brisbane. So in order to know which direction we should travel in, we need to know the starting point. I may need to rethink my position, but if you are in a different position, my rethinking may not be appropriate for you. That is why it is important to understand and explain "where you are coming from".
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Interesting dialogue
Good comment and wise counsel on the rethinking thing - Isn't that just another take on thinking in the first place as you have stated ?I have to agree with you that the West has always been a mission field. On the question of Jesus' baptism as an "adult believer" - It had nothing to do with him being an adult believer, but rather a right of passage into priesthood at the age of 30 which was common practise for Rabbi's. This is not a baptism of repentance or forgiveness as we are dealing with perfection here, but rather a picture of partnership in the role of priesthood along with John the baptist. Is this it, or am I missing something ???
I agree entirely that Jesus'
I agree entirely that Jesus' baptism meant something different from ours (just how different is a topic for another discussion). My point was, however, that it was not possible to have a theological discussion with the bloke who insisted that Jesus was baptised as an "adult believer", because he refused to say what it meant, and when asked simply said that "a 7-year-old child knows that".
A prerequisite for theological discussion is the recognition that others may not share our presuppositions and assumptions, and so we ought to be prepared to explain them. That bloke is an example of someone who wasn't.
assumptions all round
I do believe I agree with you that it would be really interesting to explore the given, the point of departure behind #1. It's similar to the phrase "Jesus is the answer!" to which I've always replied "What's the question?"
I've spoken to a large number of people over the years who believe SA and the West to be, by and large, definitively Christian. They still feel under attack by other and new religions and feel that postmodernity is poisoning the faith at best. I would guess that McKnight is addressing this, the crowd feeling safe in the Christian West, and safely assumes the initial statement to allow for a shared conversation. Also, a number of "reborns" understand their faith to parrallel 1st century Christianity in a one-to-one fashion. That crowd certainly does need to re-think the gospel. Please keep us updated on that conversation, it's always interesting to see how it goes.
Assumptions
I think the guy who said that Jesus was baptised as an adult believer is a Christadelphian. That is basically 19th century unitarianism, not first-century Christianity. They think that they can read first-century documents through 19th-century eyes (in the 21st century) and that what they read into those documents is "1st century Christianity". I think it's modernity gone mad. That's why the Christadelphians split into so many sqabbling sects, each claiming to be "more 1st-century than thou".
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