Scot Mc Knight at TUKS
Prof. Scot McKnight (Prof. in NT at North Park College in Chicago and well-known author) to give lecture at TUKS on 12th May from 10:30-12:30 in Information Technology Building Hall 2-27 on "Conversion and why folks walk away from the faith".
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... and at Stellenbosch
Thanks for this notice, the topic sounds fascinating.
I will have to be content with this talk, but the lucky ones in the Western Cape has the following event coming:
I just happened to notice today a conference on lessons from Acts for the missional church at the University of Stellenbosch, 18-20 May, where McKnight and others will be talking and you (Nelus Niemandt) will also participate. The participants in the small groups include pastors and NT scholars across a wide theological spectrum, from conservative evangelical (David Seccombe) to more centrist/mainstream and beyond, including Jeremy Punt from Stellenbosch.
Click here for more detail
http://academic.sun.ac.za/theology/conf1.html
Stellenbosch
Friends of Communitas are also hosting a gathering with Scot McKnight on Friday 15 May from 09h00 to 12h30 at the Faculty of Theology (Stellenbosch) , along the theme: “Being Missional Churches – What can we learn from the New Testament church and from recent developments about being a missional church in SA?” Prof McKnight will share with us and there will be time for questions and discussion afterwards. There will be no costs to this conference on 15 May.
Scot McKniight at Tuks
Oh dear, and I had it in my diary for next year, and was thinking how nice it was to have notice so long in advance.
I'm sorry to have missed the opportunity to hear him.
Die Beeld on Scot McKnight
This article was in Die Beeld:
http://jv.news24.com/Beeld/Suid-Afrika/0,,3-975_2515433,00.html
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‘Talle verlaat Christen-geloof’
May 12 2009 08:19:23:410PM - (SA)
Neels Jackson
Oortuigings wat vir sommige Christene die hoeksteen van hul geloof is, is besig om ander mense in strome hul rug op dié geloof te laat keer.
Dit het gister duidelik geblyk toe prof. Scott McKnight, Nuwe Testamentikus aan die North Park University in Chicago, die VSA, by die Universiteit van Pretoria gepraat het oor redes waarom mense die Christelike geloof verlaat.
McKnight het die bekeringsverhale van talle mense bestudeer en gesê dit toon telkens dieselfde elemente. Dit sluit in dat iemand ’n krisis met sy oortuigings ontwikkel, antwoorde begin soek, met ’n nuwe stel oortuigings gekonfronteer word en hom of haar daartoe verbind.
McKnight het gesê presies dieselfde patroon geld ook mense wat die Christelike geloof verlaat omdat hulle in die proses een stel oortuigings die rug toekeer en ’n ander aanneem.
Volgens McKnight is die stroom jongmense wat Amerikaanse kerke verlaat nou so groot dat dit die voortbestaan van die kerk oor ’n geslag of wat in die gedrang kan bring.
Hy het na die verhale van talle sulke mense gaan luister en bevind daar is vyf faktore wat baie mense se Christelike oortuigings in ’n krisis laat beland het:
* Die rigiede leer dat die Bybel onfeilbaar is. Volgens hom berus dit op ’n foutiewe leer by kerke dat die Bybel as’t ware deur God aan die Bybelskrywers gedikteer is. Mense wat die Bybel dan self bestudeer, kom dan later met ’n skok agter dat daar baie van die menslikheid van die Bybelskrywers in hul geskrifte te sien is.
* Die botsing tussen die wetenskap en geloof, spesifiek waar kerke leer Genesis vertel presies hoe die wêreld ontstaan het.
* Die manier waarop Christene en die kerk leef. Hy het verwys na die skandale van seksuele misbruik in die Rooms-Katolieke Kerk in die VSA en hoe dit sommige mense laat voel het dat hulle nie met integriteit deel van die kerk kon bly nie.
* Die beskouing van die hel. Baie mense kan nie aanvaar dat dit billik is dat God iemand vir ewig straf vir sondes in ’n tydelike lewe van miskien 75 jaar nie. Hulle vra of die straf nie by die oortreding moet pas nie.
* Die “God van die Bybel” wat dikwels voorgehou word, skrik baie mense ook af. Daar word onder meer geredeneer dat as God almagtig is, hy nie goed kan wees nie, anders sou die wêreld nie so vol kwaad gewees het nie. En as hy goed is, kan hy nie almagtig wees nie, want anders sou hy die boosheid gekeer het.
McKnight sê dié bevindings behoort die manier waarop Christene hul geloof verdedig op ’n ander koers te stuur. Mense is onder meer lief om die opstanding van Jesus uit die dood te verdedig, terwyl dit nie in een van die verhale wat hy bestudeer het die krisis veroorsaak het nie.
Die kerk behoort ook veilige ruimtes te skep waar mense wat met sulke vrae worstel nie veroordeel word nie, maar waar hulle die kwessies wat hulle pla openlik kan bespreek.
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Eugene Roberts
http://eugeneroberts.wordpress.com
veilige ruimtes
Dankie (UberBarista) Eugene
Ek hou baie van the idea van "veilige ruimtes" - a gooie naam vir 'n gemeente?
So, as 'n pastoor, hoe adress jy hierdie punte met die jeug in you gemeente?
Het jy Koos Kombuis se bekerings storie gesien? http://www.emergentafrica.com/blog/2009/02/06/koos-kombuis-has-emerged
Addressing the doubting blikskottels
"So, as 'n pastoor, hoe adress jy hierdie punte met die jeug in you gemeente?"
Nic, dealing with youth who says they are leaving Christianity/have difficulty believing in God is very new to us. We want to create a safe environment where questions about God and faith can be asked but it is proving to be difficult. People come with baggage of previous encounters with church and church people and for them to trust takes time. A lot of the time they will not really ask the questions that is causing them to doubt in fear of judgement or rejection. At other times they will ask questions to provoke or test and to know the difference or discern what is realy going on is... well realy difficult. With two of the young people we suspect that it is more caused by their struggling relationships with their parents, not that makes their questions less sincere but there we have to deal with that hurt as well. The one thing we have decided is to keep loving them as long as they permit it. We just hope and pray that they will experience our love as real and keep coming back.
Please pray together with us for wisdom and that they will have a real experience with God that will be bigger than their doubts, hurts and fears.
Eugene Roberts
http://eugeneroberts.wordpress.com
almal blikskottels
... there's a song in there someplace. And, he Spirit is telling me it's in E.
Eugene, you are at the pastoral coalface. That's exciting and painful. Much of what needs to happen involves both yourselves and your friends learning together. You need to let them journey, but give them a golden thread which is your unconditional acceptance. And you need to celebrate their journey too, while pointing out its dangers.
Yes the familial voice will be strong, especially in a Calvinistic framework. Dad will often be the punisher. Deconstructing this negative Father-image is a pastoral task of great urgency.
Waarom verlaat mense die kerk?
Ek lees al bogenoemde redes en nie een adresseer die eindtyd voorspellings deur die ou testamentiese profete nie.
Glo kerkmense nie meer aan/in Paulus se "geloof" nie ? Ek is onder die indruk dat Paulus dan so 'n groot rol gespeel het met die oprigting van die kerk?
Act 24:14 Maar dit erken ek voor u dat ek volgens die Weg wat hulle sekte noem, so die God van my vaders dien, terwyl ek ALLES glo wat in die wet en in die PROFETE geskrywe is...?
As jou kerk nie meer aan die ou testamentiese profete se voorspellings glo nie dan is dit verstaanbaar dat hulle nou kopkrap oor waarom die kerk leegloop !
Ek plaas hieronder twee skakels/links wat in Afrikaans en Engels verduidelik waarom ek die kerk verlaat het
http://letterdash.com/rbrtwntzl/Ek-is-net-gestuur-na-die-verlore-skape-van-die-huis-van-Israel
http://kingdomofyeshua.blogspot.com/
Hopelik sal dit gelees word met 'n oop gemoed, wat nie altyd in die kerk van vandag meer bestaan nie.
Groete
Robert
Wow Robert, a long, rambling
Wow Robert, a long, rambling thesis as to why everybody else is wrong except for you and your group. No explanation as to why you left the church, unless you're saying, "Here's why I realised I was wrong. Now I'm part of this different thing, and I encourage all Christians to return to Torah and place themselves under Rabbinic authority."
Marvellous example of proof-texting, which will find you few supporters of on this blog.
That said, the post does bring up some relevant points, such as the complicated relationship between Jews and Christians, and the unfortunately executed evangelistic attempts by Christians towards Jews over the centuries. This is indeed something worth interrogating, and my chosen starting point is N.T. Wright, who lays out the complexity pretty well.
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